bravadoaustralia.com.au › los-angeles-dodgers-fire-dave-roberts-aebcf08ff-4e. In the opinion of many fans residing in Los Angeles and all around dave roberts sucks world Dave Roberts is a disgustingly, horrible decision maker in regards to the game of. Dave Roberts Sucks. Good for winning 90 games, regardless of the players/team, but doesn't have a strong enough grasp on the game to. Dave Roberts got his team - the Dodgers - to the World Series. I'd hardly call that incompetent. Craig Counsell did a pretty good job with the.
Seems like the NBA is a crapshoot too, but the best team usually wins. They get creamed; hosed; exposed; punked; and humiliated. Consider the recent playoff performance by the Rangers, winning a string of road games rather heroically in Houston, Tampa, Baltimore, and Arizona. I think any franchise would take that. In basketball, one player can have an outsized impact on team performance.
Baseball is not like that. I have also never had anyone explain to me how a manager can be good in the regular season and then bad in the playoffs. However, do I believe it is WS win or bust. That depends on the narrative in my opinion. I share the opinion that on the field strategies are rarely made in a vacuum.
Clearly, Roberts thrives in those areas. The bigger questions for those who would welcome a change in manager, I ask: A Do you believe that the development of in game strategies are left completely up to the manager. B If so, what makes you believe a savvy front office which values data analytics would allow a manager to deviate or ignore an overarching strategy?
C Why would the front office pivot from their current strategy. With the moves the Dodgers have made this off-season the front office has put the team in a great position to win, but the potential for failure is and will always be high. Winning the WS is hard. Really hard, because it hinges on many factors.
Factors that are difficult to project and can be random in nature; i. Hence, the randomness or crapshoot nature of the playoffs. Dave roberts sucks No one player or single strategy can guarantee a win. Seems like the Dodgers lose a lot of extra innings games, too. Being an outfielder and pinch-runner as a player he seems to have a poor intuitive feel for pitchers.
Alston was a catcher; LaSorda a pitcher; Bochy a catcher. Doc often panics in key situations; his body language changes noticeably as he stresses out. And it shows in how he manages in pressure situations. He chokes. Doc is a Beta-Brain in several ways. He seems to lack his own agency; this turns into a lack of respect.
He sometimes seems out of sync with the latest Dodger talking points; as demonstrated in his pre Ohtani signing interview. And he continually botches up injury reports. This creates a somewhat abysmal image of a sloppy actor whose forgotten their lines. He misleads, distracts, submits under described non-truths, half-truths and full on lies; sometimes he innocently gives out incorrect information.
And Doc is the voice that most often performs the spin. They realize he needs a huge competitive edge to win. So they invest over a billion dollars to get the two top free agents on the market. They feel that no matter how powerful the dodgers are that given the chance Doc will blow it. No one fears Doc. Call it veritas or gravitas or a stiff upper lip…you definitely have it.
Furthermore, Doc needs your support now more than ever. Last thought. Loyal soldiers are hard to find. To be fair, however, one of his main roles is being a PR flack, so he engages in ambiguities and doublespeak. He reminds me of a press secretary for a presidential administration.
He has to be on message. There is an art to giving non-answers. I would appreciate straight talk and honesty, but I also understand that, when it comes to things like injuries, there is a privacy component when revealing the health of players. I understand that being too candid can allow an opposing team to game plan a little better. That said, his style still bugs me.
I think he could speak more clearly and frankly and candidly and still avoid misspeaking. The 2 Manager of the year winners last season had the best records in 1 run games. But I think the awards were given to the right managers last season because of 1 run records. Barely over. By the way, Doc was in extra inning games, probably some of them led to some of his record in 1 run games.
Bochy is a real manager. Dodgers have a clown. I mailed him a red nose to wear at all times in the dugout. Bochy is still under. If he is such a great manager, what happened in all those years his teams did not even make the playoffs. He is a lucky manager that is for sure. Winning or losing is always on the players.
The manager puts them in a position to succeed. If they fail, you blame the guy who put them in the game. It is always on the players. But the manager gets the blame. Daytona 500 lines Okay, why not. They are put into the game to contribute to a team win. That of course only applies when they are close to winning, tied, or maybe a run or two down.
The relief corps comes in to save the day or stem the tide. The manager wants them to succeed and do the job they are paid to do. Some do the job with a very good percentage of success. Some not so much. But the manager never puts them in and wants them to not succeed. He believes at that point they are capable of doing the job. Roberts could carry the line up card to the umpires.
Nostalgia is part of the Dodger chic. Alston and LaSorda were big guys; they were personages, legends, larger than life. I have yet to see a manager make an error in the field that leads to a run, or give up a grand slam homer in the top of the 10th inning to cost you a series. The players win and lose the games. How can you be so naive to believe this?
Roberts has singlehandedly lost numerous games from making errors in strategy, being outsmarted not hard to do by opposing managers, poor management of pitchers, and on and on. Different eras and different cultures. Alston managed players who had no other choice but to play for the team they were with because of the reserve clause in their contracts binding them to that team until the team released them.
Tommy took over right after the first free agents came into existence. But players were not making the kind of money they are today. Tommy cared less about your ego and he was a rah rah type. I loved Tommy as the third base coach and then manager. I was spoiled by 50 years of Alston and Lasorda. I recommend you write something that makes sense. Dave roberts sucks Managers do not play the game. It is always on the players to perform.
Anyone who thinks differently does not know what the hell they are talking about. Usted piensa que los altos mandos de LA Dodgers son tontos al invertir mas de mil millones de dolares solo para darle una ventaja competitiva al manager Roberts. Do you think the top brass of the LA Dodgers are foolish to invest over a billion dollars just to give the manager Roberts a competitive advantage?
I think the most important role for a modern manager these days to oversee and manage a culture. Look at the Padres. Look at the Mets. The Dodgers have been wildly successful the last ten years because they have created a system built around a process that works. I think Doc, overall, has been pretty good at managing that at the player level. It helps that AF has also selectively assembled high character personalities.
Doc struggled with Puig, but I think any manager would have. His more laissez faire approach to managing a team over a long season has worked, but I do have my concerns with this approach when it comes to the playoffs. The Dodgers have clearly been flat the last two years.
I suspect there is a mental preparation component that has been lacking. I doubt Roberts will get fired anytime soon. The second scenario is worst than the first. I could hardly agree more. I am pretty neutral when it comes to managers until they do something that seems to me like it cost the team.
No matter what, performance is still on the player. A manager can only do so much. Bob Lemon was also a lot like that. Alston was the Quiet Man. But when he wanted, he had one hell of a temper and was so big and strong even guys like Frank Howard were intimidated. But he never scared Drysdale.
I think Roberts is great at managing egos and communicating with his players. Where I think he is lacking is as a baseball strategist. I have seen him out managed more than once. Billy Martin and Tommy were in your face guys. That being said, who are you going to replace him with. Baker has retired, Melvin is with the Giants, Scioscia has been out of the game since , but he would be my choice.
Hasselman left the Dodgers and went elsewhere. None of their minor league guys have experience in the majors. Nah, that ship has sailed. Not many really good candidates out there. There is no singular formula that guarantees a title. Teams assemble their rosters and develop strategies they believe are going to produce positive results, the rest is up to the players to execute on the field.
Wins and losses are determined during the execution process. I heard that as a rumor on you tube heck yeah I would do that trade Astros are thinking about tracing away Tucker and Bergman new manager and I guess new people they want. What would be wrong with Addames Yelich and Burnes for the Dodgers I say that and beae is like no way is it going to happen um Lux is from Wisconsin Busch and Sheehan and two more minor league guys for them and Yelich wouldnt be bad to have in LF every day.
Idiotic Bradley. It has to do with the fact that the team is lefty heavy. It also has to do with the fact that 9 times out of 10 the players you mention are not on the market or likely to be traded by their team. Tucker is one of the main players for the Astros. You think they are just going to throw in the towel??
They are trying to win pennants too. Yelich is owed over million over the rest of his contract. He too hits left-handed. Adames and Burnes would be rentals. And Adames strikes out more than Muncy does. Yes, he is a good SS, but they are going with Lux, who is younger and more athletic. There, we have our right fielder and left fielder and Outman in center.
And Cole can slot in between Yamamoto and Glasnow. Under the radar. Tucker was an all-star and got MVP votes. There has been a report that Framber Valdez might be traded. Dodgers should at least explore the possibility. What if the Astros coveted Cartaya. Never know unless you ask. The team is lefty heavy already.
Other than Valdez, that trade makes no sense at all. Getting Valdez alone would cost maybe four players. The Dodgers have one of those things heading into the season. Numbers 2 and 3 are guaranteed to no team. Especially after a game season. Nothing and no one can guarantee their health over such a long season and clearly they have not had much luck except for when they were cheated out of it and when they won it all.
You naysayers keep on saying it. He will make you eat your words eventually as long as HIS health and luck holds up. And this is not the only blog to say Doc is on the griddle. Duh Kyle Tucker hits left handed and bombs better then swing and miss Vargas Busch or Taylor hell yeah I would take Kyle tucker for four players it was a rumor I read.
I am glad you mentioned Kyle Tucker. He is a classic example of why you need to be patient with prospects. In his 3rd callup PA , he hit. Finally, in his 4th callup over 4 years , he became one of the best right fielders in baseball as he hit. Why do you always want to trade guys away?
Progress is not linear… player development takes time, but good things come to those who wait. Bad things come to dope-fiends. I have heard Valdez and Bregman. I have always felt that the LAD were management by committee. If that is correct, it seems to work well in the regular season, but not so well in post season.
Perhaps they need to analyze their approach rather than who is the manager. I wil tell you a story of management. San Juan Senators. Santurce manager was Frank Robinson. Palmer proceeded to strikeout the next 8 batters. FRobinson brought Kindo Geigel!. This pitcher came to the mound with 2 gloves because he pitched from both arms.
He was really bad as a righty but was even worse as a lefty!. Okay, the games just went out of hand and we lost. You just can imagine FRobinson has to be protected by the police to get out of the ballpark and not get linched. I agree with Bear that Doc is not a great baseball strategist.
Maybe he needs a more veteran bench coach not named Bob Geren or Danny Lehmann. I had a problem last playoff with his predictable use of his platoons. He flipped the lineup too early that caused matchup issues and a lack of available players late in the game. Seems the brass loves platoons. When it fails, fire the bastard. The perceived motivational deficiencies of Doc are laughable.
Do you really think pregame pep talks or profanity laced triads have an impact on professional athletes on a regular basis. Many here seem to believe that shit works. Some guys play better angry and snort fire. A relief pitcher in a short stint can do that but it is unsustainable for a 4 hour game.
Starting pitchers, like Kershaw at his best, focus for intervals and compartmentalize there effort. Golfers focus a shot at a time but not for 5 hours. Other players are happy players. Freddie Freeman is a welcome wagon at first base. There is not one best personality for a competitor.
Managers are the same. How far does that fiery per-game pep talk work when a college football team goes out to face a dominant opponent. I think a manager can do both. Bobby Valentine comes to mind. How many here really think that Mookie or Freddie or Will or Ohtani would be better in the playoffs after fiery speeches, pre and post, and kicks in the ass.
Many here who likely never played competitive anything past high school seem to think so. These are grown men who should know how to get physically and mentally ready and self-motivated for big moments. Doc was NOT responsible for our not showing up in the playoffs.
But the same lack of adequate prep could be questioned by every division winner but one. Doc is not a great strategist. But he is not at fault for not being Knute Rockne and a win one of the Gipper speech. Some guys need kid gloves. Some guys need a cerebral approach. Some guys need an appeal to their pride.
Some guys need to be left alone and some guys need a kick in the ass. The trick is to understand your team. I never knew a single player who wanted to play for a Cheerleader. My take is making the wild card teams play 3 games in two days. A doubleheader the day after the season ends and the deciding game the next day if needed. Then no days off and the DS begins.
At most, they would be playing meaningful games with just three days off. I firmly believe it is always on the players. They have to perform up to their talents. Mookie is a pro, so is Freddie. I doubt either one of them needed to be reminded of how bad they played. But remember that JT, who was a monster in almost every playoff he played in, disappeared in the NLCS against the Braves in 21 and was equally inept against the Padres in Poor Old Bear.
Something happened. Something changed. I think we have come to the point where we need to just let him be and pay him no mind. Sorry Bear. Maybe not in this thread, but often enough. Reports persist that Dodgers could sign Hader, or trade for Clase. Who winds up in LF. Will Lux really be the SS. He comes with a QO and AF is not going to lose two more prospects by signing him.
That would mean four of his top 6 picks this year lost. A trade for Clase, maybe. And his cost in prospects is high. The Dodgers have 6 or 7 guys better than Beeter. Both of them took a step back last year. If the Dodgers think they can fix them, then maybe, sure. Depends who they want. It would clear up a spot for Yamamoto.
And who would you rather have. Bieber or Giolito. Not a lot of innings guys on this roster. And may not see Buehler or Kersh until late June or July. Buehler will be pitching in spring training. He was throwing hard when he was at OKC last year, I saw both of his starts. But the Dodgers were being cautious. He should be healthy enough to start the season. They will monitor his innings, but he will be part of the starting rotation come opening day.
Kershaw is not even part of the equation yet. He has not made a decision where he wants to pitch. At this point he is nothing more than a afterthought. Last year most of Roberts mistakes were with the pitching staff. He is responsible for 5 to 10 losses per year. My two favorite examples last year were pulling a starter with a no hitter with 68 pitches and leaving a starte in to for 4 home runs in one inning.
The first resulted in a loss. The second eliminated any chance of Dodger victory. Roberts pulls his starters when they are going good and then is happy to leave them in to get bombed for 7 or 8 runs. Most managers would yank a guy that gives up some hits and runs to minimize the damage.
Not Roberts. He will let the guy give up 4 or 5 runs before the hook. Sometimes, he is saving the starter for October. Sometimes, he is saving the bullpen. As you can see not many of his starters finished the year. Roberts will never be fired. How has he lasted after the last two years. Several years ago, after one of his horrible playoffs filled with blunders the internet was buzzing with fire Roberts talk.
The Dodgers extended his contract. I disagree with both of those examples. Had the offense scored like it was supposed to and had been all year, those four runs would not have beaten them. The offense never got on track during the postseason. That is not on the manager. As for pulling a pitcher after 68 pitches, which pitcher are you referring to and when did it happen?
Pitchers rarely go six innings anymore, let alone toss a no no. Is there anyone out without a job who can guarantee the Dodgers will win the Post Season. Does Roberts screw up in the Postseason. That is available. I kinda doubt it. Are the complainers willing watch the Dodgers take a step back — at least temporarily — when a new guy takes over, as usually happens?
I think not. Rainbirdmuse, your comment makes sense if it happened in a couple of postseasons. Not 6 out of 7. WTH man. This guy clearly chokes under pressure. And someone needs to be accountable for the team choking with RISP. Get Mike Scioscia in there.
Baseball, unfortunately has become a home run game a big change from the percentage and situational game that I am used to. What happened to strategy. Maybe his thinking will change next year with all the new rules especially getting rid of the shift. DR has consistantly made the wrong move at the wrong time with pitching.
He seems to love pulling a pitcher with 2 outs no matter what. The bullpen has so many rejects and lids it a wonder they were as good as they were in the regular season I still think the Darvish signing was the worst when Verlander was avaiilable I think the team panics. But I got to put a big blame on an offense that usually never shows up in October and a lack of in game adjustments is well chronicled.
Any baseball guy can win with this size payroll. The problem obviously is game management and Roberts continues to scew up because he relies too much on the numbers. Great managers won games by managing the game as it plays out. And the other problem is as long as Andrew Friedman is running the organization it will be the same with any manager that comes in.
Better to pull a man to early than to late…a la 7th inning of Kershaw…. Roberts needs to hire Mike Soscia as a bench coach and turn the pitching decisions over to Soscia. Roberts cost us the NLDS. Not a Roberts fan as he chokes in the playoffs by making horrendous decisions. Remember last year when Sherzer came in to close out the giants playoff game. What about the year that the Nationals beat us to advance.
He let Kershaw stay in the game way too long. That was the year that Clayton gave up a ton of home runs and that is exactly what helped us lose the game and the series. I can give you my opinion, but first I have to check the computer and see what the analytics say i should write.
Dont repeat his mistakes.. He is a proven loser.. He is an impediment. You piss me off. I can understand a couple of postseasons where we come up short, but 6 out of 7 with this roster. I wonder if the attendance will drop at Dodger stadium. Who can get excited about winning the NL West when we choke in the playoffs.
I really think Dave Roberts is not good at making good pitching choices. Think of how many times he leaves people in too long and yes everyone has a bad day but you have to be smart enough to react to that in a timely manner and leave people in when they are on fire. Even the Padres admitted they were shocked when he pulled Anderson.
What does that tell you. So for me I am deeply sad that Friedmann is supporting him for another year. Yeah he has done well in the regular season, but he has sucked in the Post Season too many times to be given another chance. Maybe they should have the pitching coach make the pitching adjustments. I watch the Dodgers all season full knowing Roberts will make a bonehead move in the playoffs.
I will say he is consistant every time. Making the wrong decisions time after time in regards to his pitching staff. Pulling Anderson out after 5 innings is just an example of his poor decisions in regards to the ENTIRE pitching staff — not just the relievers. He is so set on changing pitchers after 1 inning.
Why you ask. Anderson should have gone as long as he was NOT getting into trouble. Then bring in a reliever. If the reliever gets 3 outs in under 15 pitches, let him continue. Many of the relievers got 3 outs with under 12 pitches. Poor decision making on our pitchers is what cost us.
Leave the first guy that got 3 out!